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Lilsoresub
New member
Username: Lilsoresub
Post Number: 15
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 10:28 pm: | 
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I am fairly new to the site and though i read a lot of advise that has been quite useful it is time I try to seek the advise i truly need. First a little insight as to who I am: Monday I will be married for 21 years i have 3 children, 21, 17 and 8. By doing the math and looking into my profile you can tell i was quite young (a baby having babies.) My husband is 10 years my elder. He is quite vanilla (as i have learned the word through the internet.) Any ways my dilemma is while married a long time and holding the responsibilities as an adult, wife, and a mother as I should, like many others, I have sacrificed a great deal. Since i could remember I have always dreamed, desired, and wanted to be spanked. However i never have been. My husband is a good man good husband and father. However I have never been too good at communicating especially my desire to be spanked. So my question is How? How do I ask a vanilla husband of 21 years to spank me. What if he is totally turned off? What if he desires as much as i do to be submissive only not spanked? I have a fear he could be. I am not about to throw away all we have in our 21 years but my desire as i reach the maturer age of 40 is more evident. Sometimes it is all I can think about and i certainly want him to be a part. Maybe i should forget about my wants and live on however if the right plan is laid out just maybe I could get my point across and not have to sacrifice this one desire of mine. I read all of your stories and i have to admit I am very envious but also very appreciative to hear of your experiences. As you might have read a few of my post all in the fantasy section of the Den you might get the idea that i am serious about my desire to be spanked. Maybe i need advise no more like a communication guide for dummies to communicate better. As i get older I am more clear as to what i really want however I fear that waiting 21 years to be able to actually say what I want is a little too late. I am thankful for this forum and many other offers on the internet. It is nice to meet all of you........ thanks |
Midnytedreams
New member
Username: Midnytedreams
Post Number: 40
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 10:50 pm: |
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sounds like from your post that you are in a secure committed relationship and wish to be TIH
{taken in hand ) by your husband, you might want to try googling that {taken in hand } I think you will find all your answers there. Also it is very informative for him also, good luck on your journey,and the best to you and your husband. |
Bethie
Moderator/Spanking Aficionado
Username: Bethie
Post Number: 1584
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 12:40 am: |
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Lil_sub, this is a toughie, but it is doable. We have some ladies here on the Den who might be able to tell you how they introduced the subject into their relationships.
You've been holding onto this desire for 21 years so it's obviously not going to go away. Now the question is, how badly do you want this with the man you're sharing your life with? There's a good chance he's going to be surprised. After all, how would you feel if he told you he'd been wanting something in your relationship for 21 years and was afraid to discuss it with you? It's not an easy subject to open but it's better than to always wonder.
I'm not exactly sure what it is you're seeking. I've read your stories but sometimes that's not always the best guide. Fantasies are one thing but when it comes to reality, what type of spanking would make you happy? Do you want to introduce spanking as an erotic addition to your relationship or do you desire a domestic discipline relationship?
It's easier to give you advice if we know what you're looking for. I, for one, will try and give it a shot once I know more about what you want.  |
Lilsoresub
New member
Username: Lilsoresub
Post Number: 16
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 07:36 am: |
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Bethie you are right I have had the desire to be spanked for a long time and it is not going away. To answer more clearly on exactly what I am seeking, I want both erotic spankings as well as discipline. Thus far I can summize that starting slowly with a few pleasurable moments then seeing how that goes and possibly moving into more discipline would probably work better. However I need to break the ice and mention any thing to do with spanking to him. I think Monday on my 21st anniversary would be a good time. My biggest fear is just what you touched on why after 21 years are you now telling me this is going to be his thought. I assume he will think because I never hinted or said a word that he might think it is not true but rather I have been online or something too much. I wish I could be disciplined for assumptions. My story goes for a long time when we meet I was too young but very lost no parents, no where to go, escaped the state's custody at 17. He is by nature a person that whats to give and nurture. He raised me to the person I am he saved my life that certainly could have had a dooms end. He educated me (sent me to college after he made me get GED) as well as gave me many other things to make sure I was independent and self sufficient. I work hard as he has taught me by example a good work ethic. I read your post on my other trend about how a DD relationship gives you as a bottom a sense of guilt free, stress free, and a fresh start. But most importantly how it made you feel cared for loved... These are the things I am trying to achieve enhanced by spanking. He has taken good care of me but I want to feel cared for. My other biggest fear in communicating this subject with him is that he won't love me at all for this desire. However all I am doing is assuming I really have no idea. Any ways thank so much Bethie for your well thought advice in mine and many other's post.
Also Midny... I read your stories and I love them. I am wondering was it you to introduce in your relationship spanking or was it her? If I may ask was there a prior relationship of yours where you were introduced or initiated spankings? Your referral is great there is definitely useful material that I am sure to use Monday. Again thank you..... PS maybe i should change my user name to wanna be lil sore sexy sub and I will post the outcome should I not chicken out. |
Midnytedreams
New member
Username: Midnytedreams
Post Number: 44
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 10:31 am: |
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Lil-sub you asked if my wife introduced me or I introduced her. We met online if it wasnt for the internet we probably never would have met, she had just gotten out of a relationship with a man that had messed with her head so bad in Bdsm, taking everything from her. I have writen stories for 10 years under different names
as to protect my identity in R?L. She found the site I was on and became friends with the females there after awhile and became comfortable they introduced me to her, I have to be honest at first she wanted nothing to do with me, but with time she found she could trust again and realized I didnt want to take and take but to give her what she desired, after 1 year she trusted enough to make it R?L and its been 3 years R?L and she says she wants the journey to never end.
P.s. I have learned patience is a true virtue and the rewards are great. |
Lilsoresub
New member
Username: Lilsoresub
Post Number: 17
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 11:51 am: |
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So for both of you coming together there were more important items than trying to tell her you would like to spank her if she would like to be spanked. It is always refreshing to hear that a person CAN trust again. I am sure good communications played a big part. I think writing helps a person to communicate better; hense, my new hobby.
All morning I am thinking and getting very nervous about approaching him about my desire to be spanked. I was thinking how he has so many animals and has had an enormous number of dogs & cats as well as others over the years. It is funny you mentioned patients Midny cause that is the one word I could use to best describe my husband. Well over half my life he has trained/ or better raised many animals, our children, and myself included. I am worried with the thought that his method (for lack of a better word) to train has never been to yell, or especially to inflict pain. Instead he is very patient. He spends much time with his animals. All are good pets. I have never seen him as much as raise a hand. Therefore I believe I am going to approach the subject purely on the thought of an erotic spanking and maybe sometime down the line move towards the discipline aspect that I deeply desire. I have to be honest I want the clensing, the clean slate, and the DD aspects to be a part of our relationship but how much is the question. What if inflicting pain upon the one that you love hurts you more than them? When I think about it the only time I have ever seen him hurt is when I was hurting he can be comforting. How can I appeal to him that the pain he could deliver may release the hurt I might feel? Also the extra comfort after the inflicted pain might be great. Or are all my wants very selfish indeed? Like Bethie said this is tough but doable, I can only hope. |
Badgirl
Spanko
Username: Badgirl
Post Number: 407
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 12:37 pm: |
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Hey Lil,
So, I can only talk for myself, and I am pretty new to all this as it is. But, I can tell you that my bf and I have been together for 10 years or so, and if you check out my profile, that makes us pretty young when we met. We are both around the same age.
I stumbled across this site, I don't really remember how. I don't think I was googling spanking, just sort of clicking on links, or something.
Anyhow, it got my attention and then I had a really hard time trying to figure out what to do with it. I finally decided to talk to him about it, and that was one of the hardest thing I ever had to do.
We are still figuring it out. I think I want more or a DD lifestyle, and I think he is uncomfortable with it. But we have time to get to wherever we are going.
So here's my sdvice to you. Bring it up. It doesn't matter if you blush, stammer, and can't look him in the eye while you do it, but do it. Even if it doesn't attract him instantly he will probably be willing to try it to make you happy.
And yes, start erotic. First of all, it's fun for all.  Second of all, it's a bit of a safer place to start (a few less preconceptions).
I hope this helps some.
Good luck! and let us now how it works out. |
Lilsoresub
New member
Username: Lilsoresub
Post Number: 18
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 01:09 pm: |
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Yes I believe I am thinking too hard on this whole thing of approaching him. Badgirl maybe i can just spit out. "I would like to be spanked!" I am willing to bet you are right he would do it to make me happy. Although the Tops could help me to rationalize just what he might get out of it. I have read similiar questions and have very little insight. However the hardest part is if I have to deal with his flat NO, pure rejection. Or worse yet if he does it to make me happy and he totally despises the experience. I would feel worse yet. I have mentioned a lot of good things my husband possesses however there is one thing he could be improved on and that is an open mind. He is a little too judgemental whereas I am not judgemental at all. In fact not that long ago he mentioned that porn was a sin. If he knew what I have looked at, read, and viewed the past year he might consider me a sinner. The point you made about preconception is good... In fact it gave me the thought that I am not going to have any expectations I want anything little to start and not expect a cinderella fantasy. Thank you the advise helps very much |
Pinkcheeks
Supreme Spanko
Username: Pinkcheeks
Post Number: 1360
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 01:30 pm: |
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Hi Lil...
I read your thread and the folks here gave you some very good advice
Let me tell you my story...............
My husband and I were married 32 years this past May!! Yeah....that's pretty neat! I was 20 and he was 27. We did not have children until I was 25, so those first 5 years were spent traveling, buying a home, and doing what we wanted. The kids came along (my son and daughter are both in their 20s) and well, life evolved around raising them, ball games, school...etc. Our intimate time was always great........but I felt something deep down IN ME was lacking. I just could not put my finger on it.
One day I was playing around on the net when I began to explore D/s, BDSM and the like. WOW..my eyes flew open!
I think your hubby and mine must be brothers because mine was as vanilla as they come!! There was NO WAY he would even think to lay his hands on me in terms of spanking...etc.
The more I researched, the more I realized that the something I wanted, needed, desired was to be spanked - and erotically at first.
I had no idea how to bring this up to him. My first thought was that he would think I had lost my mind completely! LOL~~ Well, one Sunday afternoon the kids were out and we decided to have some fun. During foreplay, his hands wandered down to my bottom and he gave me a playful tap (very playful!). I purred into his ear and asked him to do it again...and again...I'll let your imagination take it from there.
This does not mean that this one afternoon turned my vanilla husband into a true spanko! Far from it. What made it more difficult was my inability to actually come right now and tell him what I wanted (I wished I had 30 years ago!).
Finally, I did more research on DD and spanking and printed out some very useful info. I picked a day 4 years ago and showed it to him (both kids are out of the house now). He read it, we talked, and his first reaction was..."I can't hit you!"
It took lots of discussion to explain to him that this was something that I truly desired. Badgirl is right....it does not matter if you stammer, blush, and fumble over your words, what is important is to tell him what you desire.
It took a LOT of experimentation on our part - we went to a few fetish parties and realized that the BDSM is not really us....but the spanking is!! Our is mostly erotic, but every now and then a "discipline" spanking takes place.
And believe me........I am married to a man who NEVER would have brought up this subject years ago. Its fairly new for us (almost 5 years), but I am SOOOOOOOO glad I made the move to talk to him.
He gets turned on....and our sexlife is awesome. My personal advice is to start off with erotic spankings (you don't want to throw too much at him all at once - it might scare the poor guy! lol~~)
Take it slow......experiment...have fun...and tell him how much you love him and his firm hand! Good luck and keep us posted  - we are all here cheering for you!
Pink~~
"Do I have to be good ALL the time?"
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Petergrimm
New member
Username: Petergrimm
Post Number: 29
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 06:28 pm: |
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Rather than "I would like to be spanked" which could come as quite a shock after 21 years perhaps you should talk to him about your interest in being spanked - it intrigues you and makes you hot, and you want him to explore that with you.
You are going to catch him unprepared even if he is well informed about such things, and if he is not well informed about such things he will be caught in a position of ignorance (in the original meaning of the word) which will immediately put him on the defensive. You need to defuse this by giving him time and wiggle room after you drop this on him to sort out his feelings - really all you want him to do the first time around is become aware of your interest and hold an open mind, not wallop your bottom with a cane LOL. Make sure he understands this early on - you want him to think about exploring this with you, not suddenly become Dom Discipline.
Like Badgirl maybe you should prepare by printing out some info - maybe a not too harsh erotic spanking story that pushes your buttons, or maybe a post that discusses why someone likes to be spanked. Since you feel you have difficulty communicating under pressure maybe you should write what you want to say - sort of a script for you. Maybe have that in a form you can give it to him to read if you get emotional or tongue tied, but it is probably best to try and tell him first.
Prepare him by making sure he understands you are not unhappy with him, and even if this goes nowhere are commited to him - think from his POV - what if he suddenly said you had not given him what he needed in 21 years? Obviously it must not come across like that! Once you are talking about this make sure he knows you only want to try this with him, and if he is not willing then you will bury these feelings for his sake. As you describe him I expect he will not be happy to think you may be unhappy doing so....
I don't think it will hurt if you make it clear you are nervous - admit you are scared you might damage your relationship but you trust him and the strength of your marriage enough to try and talk about this, since it is important to you.
Also do not be surprised if he is more aware of this than you think... You have been spending time here and elsewhere on the 'net, thinking about this and maybe even dropping hints - not necessarily verbal hints either. He may even be worried that something is coming between you, he may have no clue what but it would not surprise me if he is aware somrething is up - after 21 years together it is darn hard to keep a secret.
From your posts above I gather he is a nurturer and protector - this is not incompatible with spanking, though he may have some baggage to sort through regarding hitting and hurting you physically. To start his driver to try this with you is going to be because you want to and he wants to support you. This is an area you want to grow and explore and you need his support and participation to achieve this.
Hope you may find something worthwhile in this;
Best of luck,
Petergrimm |
Lilsoresub
New member
Username: Lilsoresub
Post Number: 19
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 09:07 am: |
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Thank You so much Peter for you have given me almost the exact outline in which I will appoach my husband with. You have help me reach an ideal goal for my discussion with him. Between all of the Den's advise I have a much better clearer plan.
I have set some ground work:
Last night I spoke about Father's Day and making some on his favorite foods today. Also, I mentioned our Anniversary tomorrow,I suggested to him to not worry or purchase flowers or a gift but that not next weekend but the weekend after taking a short trip with just him and I. This will be the first we go off alone in almost 5 years. He was very receptive and seem to really like the idea in fact he gave suggestions as to where and just finding a place instead of reservations. I want to use Peter's approach in just mention the desire and idea of being spanked. Approach as exploration but be honest that i have spent time thinking about being spanked. It will flow nicely becaue since the kids have gotten older and I have reached a more muture age I have been quite more sexually active the past couple years. Your right Peter I have to not come off as if he hasn't given me what I needed in 21 years. This is my main priority. I do not want to make him defensive.
So, I will communicate the desire (exact wording ?) then produce a written note as to what a spanking could make me feel. Also,maybe a sexy short story. After talking and reading perhaps tell him I just want to talk and think about the idea and maybe take action when we go on our weekend. At the same time if he should have some desires to please let me know. For us, even though married 21 years, this communication will be very new and I believe a step for an even better more happier future.
During the time waiting for the weekend. I want to express to him that I want to exchange vows not in a ceramony but just between us. Just to remind him what he is too me and how appreciative i am for the last 21 years. Also make a new commitment to be a better communicator not witholding any stress or thoughts I have. More honest with him because I do trust him. After remind him again of my lil secret desire.
With the advise from Badgirl to not have preconceptions and to speak any way possible and the Hope that Pink's story gives me I think this is doable now more than ever. Today, I will get that note written and his food made. As I reread the advise and have the plan in mind It all sounds simple; However, I want all of you to know for me...... Big! not going to be so easy... This helps and I feel your support very much. |
Badgirl
Spanko
Username: Badgirl
Post Number: 411
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 10:10 am: |
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Good luck Lil! I know how hard this can be. We all do, I'm sure. But don't psych yourself out too much, it often turns out to be easier than expected. The worst part is in our own heads. And don't forget to let us know how he responded! |
Lilsoresub
New member
Username: Lilsoresub
Post Number: 21
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 12:08 pm: |
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Your right Badgirl, I believe I can psych myself out. For sure I will let you know his response good bad or indifferent. For now I need to just relax and find enjoyment in writting my note. |
Pinkcheeks
Supreme Spanko
Username: Pinkcheeks
Post Number: 1361
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 05:24 pm: |
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Lil...I think you have put together a wonderful, workable plan. I love the idea of renewing vows between the two of you! And it is sooooo important to make him feel that he have been your rock for the last 21 years....and for next 21 you want to grow even closer.
Badgirl is right....this might be easier then you think! Relax, enjoy the moments the two of you have.................and know that we are here to support you!!
PS.......I have a feeling that your hubby is going to be very receptive to the idea! 
"Do I have to be good ALL the time?"
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Bethie
Moderator/Spanking Aficionado
Username: Bethie
Post Number: 1588
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 01:19 am: |
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I'm glad you've got a plan and are moving right along with it. We'll be here supporting you all the way!
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right? You go, girl!  |
Lilsoresub
New member
Username: Lilsoresub
Post Number: 22
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 05:11 pm: |
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Your are right. Just here to say thanks for the support and the letter is written. I feel a little inadequate for not being able to speak but I am okay with it and very pleased with my letter to hubby. The letter is short, simple, and to the point. I explained how he does give me what I need but I would like to try my long time desire (i have already discribed to the den) as well as I apologised for my lack of communication skills etc. Now I am going to approach him with will you please read. Then go from there. I feel pretty good about the entire plan and approach. All that is left is to observe his reaction/ response. Either way if he is receptive or willing or if he is not it will be fine. I am going to follow thru as soon as he is home from work.....  |
Pixiekitten
New member
Username: Pixiekitten
Post Number: 41
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 05:37 pm: |
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Just a suggestion. Letting Him know He is the only man you love & trust to fulfill this desire/need may really help Him "take in" this information. Just don't rush Him in this process and learn/experience together afterall, this will be a journey.
"Naughty Pixies Always Get Caught."
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Ddforme
New member
Username: Ddforme
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 12:16 am: |
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Hello Lil,
I have never posted here before but I am going to start with your post, because you are me a few years ago :o) I have ALWAYS had a thing for spanking and was very scared to bring it up to my husband. I started by telling him that I liked to be spanked during sex and for erotic reasons and he took to that very well. It was o.k but I desired so much more. I wanted a full DD relationship! I had done a lot of research and I knew that was what I wanted. It took me about a year to finally tell him that I wanted more than just the foreplay spankings and when I did I think I e-mailed him! At first he was a little shocked that i wanted him to disipline me like a child and said he could never hurt me like that. Everyday for a while I would send him links and stories for him to read and he finally came around and realized that the idea of punishing me with a spanking actually turned him on! So anyways, we have attempted a DD relationship many times and it always seems to fail. It is very hard to get going and it takes a lot of patience and practice. The last t ime we attempted it he really got into it and gave me some really good punishment spankings but I always felt weird and I had a hard time dealing with the submitting and the pain. So we stopped for a while but the sexual spankings have continued. But one night last week it all changed. We got into a HUGE fight and I said some pretty horrible things to him. It started because I had really let the house go, I mean it was a mess and none of us (our three kids too) had no clean clothes, you could barely walk in the bedrooms, etc. I was being a major B**** Well we made up at like 2 in the morning but before the make up sex he turned me over and gave me the hardest hand spanking I have gotten yet! I was shocked, in pain and turned on by the whole thing! You better believe I cleaned up the house the next day! So after all these failed attempts it just clicked and it happened! I think I felt better because I didn't tell him that he should spank me, he did it all on his own! So anyways, we have decided to start our DD lifestyle again and really work hard at it. He has written up a list of rules that I must follow or else I'll be spanked with a wooden spooon! We have used those before and boy do they hurt! In fact, he has givin me a deadline by tomorrow evening to have A LOT of things done and I don't know if I can do all that in one day! If I don't, I get the wooden spoon tomorrow night before bed....yikes! Since we have kids my punishments have to be givin at night after they go to bed. If I break a rule that day I will get a punishment spanking. So it has taken us a long time and we are still in the learning and experimenting process, but this time it feels like it will stick. You really have to work at it every day. Good luck and don't be scared! Let us know how it goes! |
Lilsoresub
New member
Username: Lilsoresub
Post Number: 23
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 07:25 am: |
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I did it I gave him the note explaining my desire to be spanked. I did it I DID IT..... And he was not appauled by the note, he did not laugh at me, nor did he critize me.
It was very late last night I did not think I would go through with handing him the note. He got home around 8 and stayed out in his shop to work past 10. I had got a little snippy and remarked to him that I thought he was avoiding me earlier when he got home. Really though he is just a workaholic. Any ways he came in around 10 and put our son to the shower. I was in the room waiting for him. He even asked me when he came in the room not to be mad at him cause he did not spend any time with me on our Anniversary. I said I was not mad and that is was okay. While son's in shower, and for now our house is full with College students home as well as his mother is spending time with us, I told him I wrote him a note. His first remark was I hope it is not a mad at you note I said no it is not. I handed it to him, while he was sitting up in the middle of the bed, I hid my head behind his back while he read. Towards the end I got son out of shower then brushed my teeth. He remarked, "this is a good letter and I like it." Then he came up behind me as I bent over the bathroom sink swatted my ass as said I gave him something to think about. We need privacy which is hard for a few weeks but it will come. We finished our evening in an intimate way which did make me feel very self assured. Also, Pixie at the end I told him he was the only one I love and would trust to fulfill this desire of mine. Now it is time for action but I DO want him to make the move on his time and I will be patient (I took only 21 years to express the idea/ desire.) He can have some time. Again I want to say thank you all for the advise and the support.
"Twenty Years from now We will REGRET more what we DO NOT DO rather than what We Did DO....." |
Ddforme
New member
Username: Ddforme
Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 10:35 am: |
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Congrats! That is the hardest part and you did it! Wooohooo! I felt really good after I told him too. Good luck, it really is exciting! I might be getting punished tonight because what he gave me to do in one day just might be impossible! We'll see! |
Rose
New member
Username: Rose
Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 11:52 am: |
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Congratulations, Lilsoresub! When I read stories like yours of women who don't know how to tell their husbands, I see a little of myself in them. I worried for a long time how I would ever be able to tell any man, but fortunately the internet solved that problem for me. I met my husband in a spanking chat room, so I never had to address that issue. But I will never forget the fear I experienced before I met him. I'm so happy that your husband is being receptive to your desires, and I do hope you'll keep us updated as things progress! |
Pinkcheeks
Supreme Spanko
Username: Pinkcheeks
Post Number: 1366
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 12:35 pm: |
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see? I TOLD you that your hubby was going to be receptive to the idea!!
I am sooooo happy for you - it took a lot of courage on your part, and most likely it will take patience as the two of you explore this "new found lifestyle". But you did it!! Now.................enjoy!
"Do I have to be good ALL the time?"
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Badgirl
Spanko
Username: Badgirl
Post Number: 429
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 08:53 pm: |
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Oh, Lil!!!
I am so happy for you. It's amazing how we torture ourselves needlessly.
It sounds like you and your man are a great fit: respect, love, the whole thing.
Congrats. And keep us posted. |
Bethie
Moderator/Spanking Aficionado
Username: Bethie
Post Number: 1593
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 11:07 pm: |
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 Congrats! I'm so glad you told him and it went so well. This is a great beginning! Be sure and keep us updated. |
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